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camplo
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Really High sensitivity vs High Sensitivity
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High Sens: 360 degrees in 0.1 m (4"), roughly 1000 DPI needed
Medium Sens: 360 degrees in 0.25 m (10"), roughly 400 DPI needed
Low Sens: 360 degrees in 0.50 m (20"), roughly 200 DPI needed
Its something I found on the net, many of you have seen it before. Maybe its status quo maybe not. If it is then I am a really high sens player being that right now the most usable tracking I can get out of my 2000dpi mice results in about 1 360 in under 2.5 inches. I would like to go faster but I am limited by my hardware. One issue that Im having is that the grips that I have come up with to manipulate my copperhead which is kind of a generic shaped mouse have all been very unconfortable and the only thing that conditions me to tolerate such discomfort is the feeling I get from seeing, or nowadays hearing 'HEADSHOT" from the game. my game play is not at question so much as how much effort it takes to get good game play. These grips that I come up with all have the relations being, fingers tensed out straight forward surrounding the mouse. The more tense the more control. Also the more pain and discomfort. I have added an eraser head from an erasable pen to mouse one just left of the scroll wheel in different areas. This does help improve aim even more but its still the same tensed out hurting grip that gets the HS's. Now I have deduced that high sensitivity control benefits from muscule's not so much used if at all by lower sens players. The thumb and index finger mainly but generally the finger tips. The finger tips provide the same delicate control that a user of a graphic pen benefits from. The added pen eraser makes this more pronounced. The higher the sensitivity the less you use all the "other" muscules and the more you use just the finger tips. You use the the other fingers too but the index/thumb are the most important, I think, and in the end this pocket of delicate control has a physical limit of about what I measured....... .5 inches to 1inch. It is my belief that if your tracking device can provide enough dpi that this is the sweet spot for this type of movement which also allow a non hurting grip. How do I know? Cause Ive tried it. But no mouse I have owned has been over 2000dpi so when I start hitting these higher sensitivities to take advantage of what I described as the sweet spot the on screen movement is no where near smooth because I'm aiming in between the 2000dpi even.
So one day Im on this server getting owned by these serious cs players and Im noticing that they are getting great reaction time but I can tell by spectating that they are using low sensitivities. In the mist of trying to come up with new grips I remembered someone mentioning the claw grip. Which does not work well with high sensitivities off the bat.
High Sens: Top speed of 0.5 m/s
High sensitivity players don't tend to move the mouse very far when they're playing so they can make do with small mousepads. They have to keep a very firm grip on the mouse because the slightest movement translates to huge swings on the computer screen. High sensitivity players don't need to move their mice very fast.
That is so far from the truth for me, a true high sens player, not this 360 in 4 inches bull crap, and actually the opposite is true, where as loose and light as possible results in the most accurate movements at such low speeds of movement
So anyway the claw grip has the benefits of giving control to your finger tips which is always good. Your fingers can control the mouse if they are stretched out but only withing that .5-1inch like I was saying in different words before. The claw grip could be used for really high sens but since i'm new to the grip I can't move as delicately as I could in other grips. Another thing that came to my mind was I wanted my grip to work just as good tensely gripping mouse as it would lightly but that might be asking too much. With the claw grip you can control the mouse while holding it tightly but you have to lower the sens because just like when holding a weight in mid curl your muscles shake and so does the mouse when making really minute movements. But I did like how I could get all my fingers in relatively one spot on my CH which I like because I think the closer you get your finger tips together the more accurate the mousing once again relating back to holding a stylus. The rubber grips on the side make the claw grip hurt so I....cut them off with an exacto knife. In the mean while Im getting owned by these low sens players HS from half way across the map and I convinced myself to LOWER my sensitivity. So now I'm like omg Im one of them now, a low sens player, which seems to be mainstream only to find out that actually a sens of 3.255 in cs is STILL considered HIGH sensitivity. I feel so handicapped by the whole 360 in 4inch feel. It feels sooooooo slow and sluggish only to find out others are playing even slower. So crazy. So now I'm adjusting to loss of responsiveness and learning how to make up for it with physically rapid movements but to you guys I'm, still a high sens player? Weird I think. Theres probably more people out there who play as high as I do but I don't think we are the mainstream.
For the most part it has hurt my AWP game tremendously being that theres no responsiveness "too me" at this level of sens. So I need to do some training with the bots for a week or so until I adjust.
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Re: Really High sensitivity vs High Sensitivity
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July 03, 2009, 10:27:18 pm »
Listen here mister
I had a similar revelation a year or so ago
It has to do with monitor refresh rate. A fellow with an Intellimouse Optical 1.1 was cruising about nonchalantly and kicking the crap out of everyone that walked past. I asked him, "Sir, what mouse are you using."
"Some MS mouse."
"What kind is it?"
"Humm Intelli 1.1"
"What monitor refresh rate you use?"
"Humm 85 hz"
I fought hard and got in second place behind him. It was Call of Duty 4 and it was a 1000 kill Death Match on Killhouse (like that means anything).
He was bored so he quit.
I love reading your posts and I find them informative. But I said earlier in a different topic you made that you are on the wrong path towards enlightenment.
What pro players actually use goes undocumented and when the competitive PC gaming runs dry and dies so will the knowledge that goes into--
PERFECT PC GAMING SETUPS
But I'll go ahead and outline all the things Pro Players use below:
- Inexpensive PC tower that plays old games extremely fast
- Two hard drives, one for boot and the other for pornography and personal portfolio work
- Blazing fast CRT monitor with rich colors, (a Diamondtron, Trinitron, LG, or Samsung for example)
- Any crappy old keyboard that's USB
- Any crappy old mouse as long as its some kind of Microsoft or Logitech mouse (or a "Wheel Mouse Optical" / Intellimouse)
- Huge-ass mousepad
- Sennheiser headphones (can be anything corded)
Korean players like the Mini Optical (930732-0914) from Logitech and the MX300 / G1
Hey I hope you read this post as well as I read yours, God bless
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Re: Really High sensitivity vs High Sensitivity
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July 03, 2009, 10:44:14 pm »
I always thought a was a medium sens player until i measured it just now.
I do a 360 in 4.5 cm, thats 1.77 inch, Fov is about 90 degrees and resolution is 2048x1152.
I never even lift my wrist of the table, maybe i'm just lazy.
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Re: Really High sensitivity vs High Sensitivity
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July 18, 2009, 08:40:21 pm »
pro players aren't always mouse enthusiast as we are so yeah I find myself also coming across excellent players and then I ask them what mouse are you using and what dpi and they literally have no clue, dont even care. But I guarantee you that most of those care not players error on the side of low sensitivity. I recently have lowered my sensitivity AGAIN. It seems control triumphs responciveness because its easier for your hand to make up for low responsive sens, via quick hand movements, versus doing the opposite and your hand making up for the lack of control. I also think that less intricate ie exaggerated movement of a low sensitivity setting is easier for the muscle memory to digest.
I used to be at about 1 360 per 2 inches
and now I'm down to 1 360 in about 6.5 inches
Huge difference
My long distance game has improved but not how you might imagine. I'm not exactly better than the prime of my high sensitivity days but the CONSISTANCY of actually good game play has increased drastically. In other words as a high sensitivity player when I was in the zone I was a great player but to get into the zone I had to play for about 45 min or so to get adjusted to my extremely high sensitivities and I might not stay in "the zone" and even then all the other variables were *censored*ing with me because at such a high sensititivity all the little things matter. NOW at this lower sens warm up is not that hard at all, and muscle memory is showing off how much it likes the sensitivity by doing things like letting me pull of those AWP shots where you move the crosshair to the target not by tracking on the screen but by feeling how far it would require on the mousepad which equals those shots that on screen are visually untrackable.
I do all this on a mouse pad that is 7 inches wide 9 inches tall. If I went any lower a bigger pad would be required. I couldn't see anyone needing an even slower speed but hey maybe I'll figure it out sooner or later. Pretty much I am down to the speed that is just barely fast enough to track another player circling me as I circle him (and I mean just barely). Im sure I might be able to lower it more if i had a giant mouse pad BUT that requires me to lift my palm/forearm off the pad too much which increase movement speed but lowers steadiness. So there would have to be another huge drop in sensitivity to cancel out those "impurities" but I don't need all that. Maybe one day that will be me but no need right now.
But I'll put my money on this. You will NOT find a true high sens player using just some old random garage sale mouse. Sensitivities high like my old 2.5 inches per 360 can NOT be done with a 400-800 dpi mouse because it WILL have terrible stair stepping and be useless. You would actually have to interview people to get hard facts cause you need to know what DPI setting , windows setting, and game setting to get the whole truth not to mention acceleration, m_yaw (if applicable) etc etc.
It pisses me off to get owned by someone who doesn't know what dpi their mouse is or even what kind of mouse it is but whatever. My game is great right now so Im all smiles till I find another group of players owning me and find a need to up my skills more. I have played with cal invite players and have logged many hours, and have seen demos of cal invite finales etc etc etc so I have a decent idea what good means. I feel that you are not a master of anything you cannot teach. I hope anyone can learn from my post. =)
I just took apart my copperhead to clean the damn mouse1 clicker. I was getting double clicks.....go figure.
lets see here
In response to some things said in last post:
And I use 85hz cause I cant get anything higher at 1600x1200 but whats you point? (21inch p815 viewsonic)
And a huge mousepad clues that they are probably extremely low sens players..... Thats not lost info thats obvious....especially going along with just any old crappy mouse because you CAN use just about any mouse with really low sensitivities.....Any nice pair of headphones will do. I preffer headphones 50mm drivers but the best stereo imaging I've ever had came from a 10 dollar pair of koss in ear head phones. Someday Ill have a nice pair of in ears. Right now these athm30 audio technicas are more than enough for gaming........I have two partitions on one hard drive, one for boot the rest for storage....... that is not what makes a player pro but I guess its funny.......Knowledge is now saved I guess..... Right here =P
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