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« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2010, 11:58:25 am »

Do you think its possible to manipulate the lift off distance by software and/or firmware?
They state that in laser mouses the lift off distance is "about 1mm" i think its much bigger, will test it today on my imperator.
Changing Lift-off to minimal value can make z-axis problem less complicated.

Yep that's possible with the Twin-Eye sensor. I don't know how much the lift-off distance is for the Imperator but for the Lachesis it's already very low though.
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« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2010, 12:54:08 pm »

Do you think its possible to manipulate the lift off distance by software and/or firmware?
They state that in laser mouses the lift off distance is "about 1mm" i think its much bigger, will test it today on my imperator.
Changing Lift-off to minimal value can make z-axis problem less complicated.

The lift off distance of the Imperator is the same as my G500 on my puretrak talent. They both track at 1 DVD but will not track at two. So they are both somewhere between 1.2 - 2.4mm.
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« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2010, 06:16:31 pm »

Not tracking on 2 DVD's, but tracking on 1 DVD = 2.4 mm lift off.

An average distance, IMHO

Z-Axis problems affect more than lift off though, it's a problem when you press downward on the mouse, and a problem with vibrations on the mouse pad.
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« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2010, 11:35:28 am »

I agree with PimpUigi.

The tracking is something between 1 and 2 dvd 's.

Any1 is using some bonus sliders on their mouse to "lift it up a little bit" and can check the "dvd" test with it?
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« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2010, 02:07:16 pm »

from hardwareluxx (german site)

http://www.hardwareluxx.d...amp;posted=1#post13968091

http://666kb.com/i/bgkqtxbv4had0uy89.gif

he lifted his Imperator and Intellimouse while drawing a straight line for this little comparison

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« Reply #50 on: February 18, 2010, 07:54:10 pm »

Right,

I have spent allot of time with the Mamba and the Imperator.

The title of this thread is exactly it.

I will say however the Imperator is a superb mouse, if it was nto for such a stupid sensor, say if it has the 1800DPI 3G sensor of the deathadder, wow, superb.

As it is these stupid DPI wars are making mice worse and worse, they are just getting heavier, bulkier and generally *censored*ter.

If u need a mouse with HIGH DPI and u are wanting to PERFORM to a level other than casual -

Xai.

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« Reply #51 on: February 19, 2010, 06:53:46 pm »

My eye is on the g9x. The Xia has the same sensor and pretty much the same acceleration. I've seen some graphs that display what is going on with the sensor. Hopefully they will come out with an update to fix it.
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« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2010, 01:43:28 pm »

Just an idea for those stuck with an z-axis riddled mouse. Bind a button in such a fashion that when you press the button your sens goes to 0 and when you release it the sensitivity returns to normal. Not practical but maybe you can get some usage out of the mouse you spend a nice buck on. Press the button when relocating the mouse, once mouse has returned to mpad let go of button. Walla!

Other thoughts, Why doesn't razer/phillips adjust the lift off distance to such a small value that the mouse only tracks when it comes in contact with the mouse pad on all skates!?
If I thought of this why couldn't of one the engineers who get payed the big bucks already implemented the idea cause its really a no brainer.
Hey why we're at lets just open up the values to the user so they can use their own ideal lift off distance!? Unless I'm mistaken this sensor does have the ability to adjust lift off distance so what in theeee hell is going on with that!?
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« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2010, 01:56:10 pm »

Just an idea for those stuck with an z-axis riddled mouse. Bind a button in such a fashion that when you press the button your sens goes to 0 and when you release it the sensitivity returns to normal. Not practical but maybe you can get some usage out of the mouse you spend a nice buck on. Press the button when relocating the mouse, once mouse has returned to mpad let go of button. Walla!

Other thoughts, Why doesn't razer/phillips adjust the lift off distance to such a small value that the mouse only tracks when it comes in contact with the mouse pad on all skates!?
If I thought of this why couldn't of one the engineers who get payed the big bucks already implemented the idea cause its really a no brainer.
Hey why we're at lets just open up the values to the user so they can use their own ideal lift off distance!? Unless I'm mistaken this sensor does have the ability to adjust lift off distance so what in theeee hell is going on with that!?

The sensor adjusts its lift-off dynamically. And you just can't make it that small because it would cause other problems and complications.
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« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2010, 04:53:30 pm »

Yeah I was kinda thinking that...ie that lowering lift off distance might cause other problems. Ok so they're just screwed. GG
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« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2010, 07:19:06 pm »

Yeah I was kinda thinking that...ie that lowering lift off distance might cause other problems. Ok so they're just screwed. GG

Yep... they have to change something about the sensor itself. Making a "Triple-Eye" sensor would of course increase the cost but with a dedicated sensor-lense for the z-axis (instead a combination of 2 sensors) they could eliminate these issues.
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« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2010, 08:21:52 pm »

Just an idea for those stuck with an z-axis riddled mouse. Bind a button in such a fashion that when you press the button your sens goes to 0 and when you release it the sensitivity returns to normal. Not practical but maybe you can get some usage out of the mouse you spend a nice buck on. Press the button when relocating the mouse, once mouse has returned to mpad let go of button. Walla!
lol, that was actually pretty much the first fix from Razer for the Lachesis but the last thing I want is my mouse stop responding when I shot Wink

fixing this problem isn't as easy as it might seem and the higher price of a "tripple-eye", if it really would work very well, would it most likely make it hard to sell
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« Reply #57 on: February 26, 2010, 01:41:41 am »

We'll dammit I feel like i'm trying harder to figure this problem out harder than razer!!  Grin

This is just ridiculous, utterly and completely. I've been haunting mouse forums for the last 4-5 days because I'm in the market for a new mouse. Only thing that looks good is G9x, Xia, and imperator. Each one has issues that make me say "what?" and "Come on, really?" G9x & xia have acceleration, however minute, and the tracking just isn't as precise as some other sensors on the market, Imperator has z-axis issues and sometimes it stops working for a few seconds? Come on really?
So I'm really frustrated right now. And some how I'm leaning towards razer....really? What? I mean this mouse may just stop working completely. Why not, its happened with other razer products.
You can't say that a high sens player doesn't need to lift the mouse as often unless you are a technique nazi. Everyone has their on thing that they do and is unique to themself. Now when I play using a world sensitivity of 8000, which everyone here considers "omg thats so high", I pick up the mouse a lot. I pick the mouse up and off the pad just as much as I did as a lower sens player! I only use my fingers to move the mouse, the base of my hand remains stationary and since the fingers only move so far, there is a lot of repositioning at this sens. Thats my technique. So will z-axis be an issue for me? I'll probably only truly answer this question by a using the mouse myself or seeing some else who uses the mouse just like me give it a go on youtube or something. But next to the 3g sensor this sensor probably is the most precise and accurate thing goin. The previous logitech laser sensors have similar characteristics to the g9x in regards to precision and accuracy from what I hear. I think I needed to vent or something. Have a good day.
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« Reply #58 on: February 26, 2010, 02:37:19 am »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/iUkizyZ5QxM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/iUkizyZ5QxM</a>
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« Reply #59 on: February 26, 2010, 12:04:18 pm »

Not quite sure what that video is about but,  I would take it down before sombody (other than me) who is actually good at 1.6 says something.


PS and dude, that is one skinny ass arm u got on display there :/ start off with these!
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